The B Sando World: A Traveling Sailor’s Journey

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Couple of Nukes. As always, I'm your host, Mr. Whiskey, and may I also welcome you to an episode of the B Sandal World podcast. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, I am here with Mr. Brandon Sanders, creator and host of the podcast, The B Sandal World. Link in the description below to his podcast. Please go check it out. But without further ado, Mr. Sanders, go ahead and introduce yourself for us. What's going on everybody. It's your boy B Sando from the beast. Happy to be here with Mr. Whiskey, super excited that he invited me on his show. So I'm looking forward to it and I can't wait to tell some stories to the audience. And before we even get into the stories, which I'm excited for, I was at work last night, midnight shift. It went from 80 degrees down to almost 30 degrees. I was freezing over here on the East coast. And I was just thinking about my time in the service. I said, you know what? No, I've got some funny stories. I can share that. I just, we're buried in the back of my mind, but. Mr. Sanders, before we begin that, I want to know your podcast is relatively new as far as I understand. I just wanted you to share with us your passion for it, why you created it and what you're hoping for. Yeah, no problem. Yeah. It's actually been a ongoing, off going situation. I actually started a podcast. I want to say during the pandemic with my brother, it was called the Sando Bizarre Podcast. And then back then I was in a different financial situation. So I was really making the podcast to. Try to create some income for myself back then, but I soon came to learn that it's not a overnight process in  terms of monetizing your podcast. That's probably what happened on my first go around at the podcast world. But then I recently just jumped back into it because I just had a passion for it. I like just hearing what people's perspective on different ideas is and, just being able to create something of my own. And, I've dipped and dabbled in social media and trying to be an influencer that way. But I come to find out that my life isn't that interesting when it comes to just taking pictures and videos of myself. So I was like, okay, how can I be an influencer in a different way? And podcasting seems like the way that me in order to get my story out there and to get out there what I want people to, watch and listen to. My podcast is actually an audio and visual, podcast. I struggle at getting both of those edited and getting them out there on time, but I'm getting better.  It's a work in progress, yeah, huya to that. As someone who just, my podcast is actually approaching its year anniversary, I believe December 3rd of last year is when I released my first episode, but through this time. There's been a couple weeks here and there where I wasn't able to release, but I've been pretty much able to release one episode a week, which I'm pretty proud of, given I was transitioning out of military service, so that already was a huge adjustment to my life, but yeah, like you said, mastering the ability to edit the audio, that's something that I've been learning more and more. And, what I try to do now is make sure the audio is good when I'm recording the first time. And like you said, if your life isn't interesting enough on your own, you go out there and you interview these interesting people. I was actually thinking about it last night, how, I've described some wacky characters on my show. In the nuclear program in the Navy is where you're definitely find some of the most interesting individuals you can,  but even downtown bar hopping. And it just surprises me that I've met people who are like,  They've never met anyone strange or interesting, and I just don't understand it. I meet people left and right. But yeah, so Mr. Sanders, you served in the United States Navy, correct? Yes, sir, I did. I did. 2008, 2012.  The USS Laney Meyer, destroyer, Based out of San Diego, California. Oh, man. I know you got stories then. I've heard about San Diego. We've all, I've served with a lot of people who went over to San Diego. I was supposed to go over to San Diego, but my ship was two years behind schedule. So I didn't make it, unfortunately. A melting pot of culture. I know it's got a lot of Asian culture, a lot of Hispanic culture. And then obviously you've got the military itself is just a huge.  So how was your time in San Diego? And also what rate were you? My time in San Diego was fantastic. I was on a pre comp ship, so I only did four years, but my first, or my only four years was on a pre comp ship. So basically when I got to. The military I did about, nine or 10 months up in the Gurney area, Chicago, bootcamp and, a C school up in the Gurney area. And then I went to San Diego for about six or seven months and we were basically, we didn't have a ship. Oh, they're still building our ship up in Bath, Maine. So I spent about six months in San Diego. And then I went to Bath, Maine for about. Nine or 10 months and basically brought the ship to life. So it was very interesting just coming onto a brand new ship and you yourself is I'm brand new in the Navy. Everything's new. We got new crew, we got new ship, so it was nice being on a brand new ship. It wasn't like everything on the ship was old and ran through. So it was nice in that aspect. And there was a lot of room for growth. Because our ship just came together with a bunch of people that hadn't necessarily been on the ship altogether. So it was a lot of room for you to be able to grow because there wasn't a whole lot of just built in like favoritism and stuff like that. Like when you come to a new ship, so San Diego was awesome. The weather was great. I had me a Mustang GT convertible V8 stick shift. I lived on the ship the entire time. the entire time I lived on the ship. And mostly it was, I think I could have got a place at the barracks, but I think mostly I was just concerned about being late and not being on time and not being available and having issues like that. So I stayed on the ship the entire time. And plus  it was just better for me. I got. Three hots in the cot, got three meals on there every day regardless and save some money because back then when I was in the military, the way I spent money was, I remember being at the bar or somewhere at, 1159 on the 14th. Just having 50 bucks in my pocket. And then at  1201 that check hits on the 15th and boom, we got a fresh new bag shots for everybody.  There, there was many and many a nights that I spent half my check or more within the first hour of getting it because I was reckless because you just you didn't have to have money to live like, like a normal person that you need money to for gas and for groceries and for rent. But when you're in the military, you live on the ship. They provide you food. You have a bed. The only expense I had was my car note and my cell phone. So I didn't have a family. I didn't have a wife, didn't have kids. So I really, my money wasn't really going to anything necessary at that time. So we just went to, excuse my French booze and bitches. That's typically how it goes. But on the nuclear side, I saw some. Stranger purchases. My old roommate actually, he podcasted with us not too recently, big red. Within the first few weeks of arriving at a school, he bought a thousand dollar Claymore because there was this tent of, I call them scammers. He will argue with me and defend them. Very, he believes he, his purchase was great. And I disagree, there is a tent outside the mini next on base, right? Outside the next, there was this tent with these guys.  Saying hey! Come buy a sword and we do an investigation into the, your family history. Give us your last name and we'll get all the history and you'll get a custom crest and a Claymore. I will say it was a nice sword. It was a real sword. And he was like, it was custom made. It was custom made. I said, man, for one grand, I said, big red, give me a welding gun and I'll go to the junkyard and I can make you a custom sword right now, the metal too,  for less than a grand, I'll do it for free, man.  One grand. And he bought. He has over, approaching, maybe, almost, he had almost a hundred and fifty or more Nerf guns. Nerf is not a sponsor, but it is Nerf for nothing. He had almost over a hundred. I remember his dad, blown up nine times in Iraq, was just, the disappointed look he had when he came, when we were moving out of the our house, and he came in his pickup truck. I'm telling you, it was just all containers of Nerf guns. The look he gave his son, I'll never forget it. And he thought I was You could say he thought I was a twink because Big Red had given me the women's pink Nerf bow and arrow set. And so his dad from Iraq saw me carrying it, he thought I was gay. I was like no, this is your son's. This isn't my stuff. This is your son's stuff.  Do not be mistaken. This is your son's pink Nerf girl edition bow and arrow. And this is his little pink fairy, pony time blaster. All right. Let's not be mistaken here. The man had to take multiple vehicles to move all his nerf guns. And then when he he still collects, all these toy guns, but then he was like, you know what? Let's spend hundreds of dollars on Lego sets. Yeah. I'm talking about the bonsai trees, the cars. Which are a little cooler. They're pretty cool. But and now he just likes to buy real guns I'm like, all right, you've gotten up in life, you started you gotta start somewhere There was a nuke who had bought a 300. Almost 400 body pillow of Mia Lamia from Monster Gormusome the anime It's a woman who has the lower body of a snake and it was a 28 foot long You Body pillow, 28 feet. And the barracks room we were in at the time was very small. It's probably took up the whole room and we had bunk beds. It was half on, him and his bunk mate, they swapped every night who had the front end, who had the tail end, so to speak. But yeah, so you were living on the ship and you said you, the ship was brand new. That was opposite of my life. The ship I got to was in refueling overhaul. Everything was broken. Everything was like two years behind schedule. So instead of four years of refueling overhaul, it was six years. Aircraft carrier, the chain of command was awful and toxic, but you said you had a new crew. Everyone was like. Their first time being on the ship, going to sea or learning the ship. So would you say you had a positive command climate or was there some toxicity and kind of some issues you had, man? You know what, you know how the military is. It's all clicks. Me, I know me personally, I wasn't a quick guy. And I wasn't a rah guy, and I wasn't like a gung ho, let's be super navy, super military guy. I was the doesn't go against the grain, and just keeps it mellow. I was a gunner's mate, so that was my MO. I was a gunner's mate, so I was in charge of the weapons and the armory and stuff like that, but my chief that I had, he was super gung ho. He was super rah. He was super like G. I. Joe, our division got a bad rap because he was like the representative for our division. They're like, oh, you work for that guy? I'm like, yeah. They're like, oh, good luck. And I'm like it's all about. It's all about, for me, the military was all about understanding how to play the game. There's going to be a lot of characters that you encounter and they're going to try to test you. They're going to try to push you. They're going to try to get under your skin. But what they're trying to do is get a reaction from you, right? So if you give them, if you give them that reaction, Then they're just going to come back to you over and over again because they know they're going to get a reaction out of you, right? But if you don't give them a reaction, then they're really just going to move on and go mess with somebody else because they know that you're not falling for the BS.  So that was my MO. I wasn't falling for the BS, nor did I put on the whole front. I was just a cool, chill, laid back dude, but I follow the rules for the most part. And I didn't go against the grain, but a lot of it came to a lot of it had to do with me living on the ship. I didn't fraternize with any women on the ship. There was only four or five that I would have fraternized with. The rest of them, nah, I'll pass them. I'll pass them. I'll pass on that. So I didn't have any fraternization. I didn't have wife, kids. I wasn't married, everybody loves to get married in the military just because of the money. Don't get me started on that, but yeah, I almost felt victim to that too, cause I said, wait, so I can double my salary if I get married. And they were like, yeah. And I was like, shoot, tempting offer. It's called selling your soul. Yeah. I was like double my salary and some pussy. Yeah. Hopefully sometimes it might be a guy. No, I wasn't going to marry a woman from the Navy. I wasn't going to do that. I was going to marry you. I was going to marry you. I had a girlfriend coming into the military. And then I thought about it. I was like, man, what if I just marry her and move her out to San Diego and do all that hoopy hip hop. But then I was like, man, you hear all these stories about just horror stories about, guys going out to sea and chicks just acting a fool taking all their money, sleeping with the neighbor next door. And it's you're really helpless. Cause you're out in the middle of the red sea somewhere. And she's back in San Diego with your check and with your house and with your car. Yeah, you have no idea. You really have no idea bad, so I'm just like, and then you hear about the stories, people go on deployment, they pull back in their bank account is wiped out their wife already filed for divorce. Like the whole world is in shambles when they return home. All the credit cards are ran up, you're locked out of all your accounts. And then what does the military do? The military, this is the other thing that I didn't like. The military will, there's an issue between you and your spouse, divorce or whatever. You and your spouse or another, a creditor or whoever it may be, the military will just take the money out of your account without even, okay, we got this from, So then he says, okay, we're taking out your account no matter what. So you don't even have a, you can't dispute it or anything. It's just we're taking the money. So it's I already don't make any money and now you're taking it. And it's I can't be, I can't be stressed out. I can't be stressed out like that, man. Cause the military is already stressful, man. I'm a gunner's mate, so I'm literally sitting next to live explosive weapons, grenades, torpedo launchers, M16s, M14s. Every single day. Every single day. I'm in a situation where if I do something wrong, I could kill myself or others, so that in itself is already stressful. And then I don't want to be dealing with the stress of work.  That's too much. And then it's you're 20, what, 20 years old, 21 years old, and you got all this. It's man, I can't be dealing with all that. Oh, yeah. We've talked about it a lot on this podcast and one of our previous episodes, with Mr. Robert. He told a story where not only basically, guy got deployed, came back. His wife had not only spent all his money, sold everything, the house, all his vehicles. She had set it up so he had to pay for her new boyfriend's pickup truck payments. And the military held him accountable to make those payments because he had given her like full power of all Decisions in your relationship, legally paperwork wise and what was it? Someone made a comment once Yeah, first thing you gotta do is go find a stripper and say hey I can pay you more I could you know pay you a salary just to come marry me and don't do it I mean we've heard all so many horror stories. And we used to call them smoke pit weddings where You Nukes would show up at base, meet someone, after two, three weeks, be like, let's get married. And then they would have the wedding at the smoke pit or they had met at the smoke pit. And this guy really don't like, he got married after two months.  And we told him don't do it. And he's no, it's perfect. And they seem to work out until recently. I found out someone caught her. She's been hanging around another dude on the ship, 24, seven. They're on different ships, of course. And that someone overheard her asking a female officer, how do I get a divorce? Yeah, it's definitely horror stories, it's definitely yeah, we've talked about it, what happens when you get deployed it's a real shame, did you end up staying with your girlfriend throughout the military service or did that end at some point? Nah, that, that ended at some point. I I was just extremely reckless at this time. And I don't know. I ended up, I was talking to some other girl that was in the middle. So this is what happened. They set me up. They set you up. They, the barracks that I was at, they the military set me up. So the barracks that I was at in San Diego, it was like a co ed barracks. Oh, man. So you share a living room, right? Everybody shares a living room. And then there's four separate rooms that connect to that living room. And it's male or females in those rooms, but you all share a living room. This is a setup. This is 100 percent a setup. It's 100 percent a setup. I'm in the barracks for two months, right? And it's all, it's all, I think it was like a newer you know how the barracks is, sometimes it's empty, sometimes it's full. Mine happened to be like halfway occupied. So I had a male roommate. So me and him shared a room. And there was two other guys in a room. So two out of the four rooms are occupied. So I was like, cool. And I used to I was really into sports. So like on the Saturdays and Sundays, I'd be in the living room watching a big screen because they had a big screen TV in there. So I'd be in the living room, watching the big screen, watching the playoffs, NBA basketball or whatever. Next thing, I'm just chilling in the barracks one day. And then this chick comes in the room. She comes in the living room and then she goes into the, to the unoccupied  room, like to the right there. And I'm just sitting there and I'm looking, I'm like it's okay, cool, whatever. But then like after three or four days, I'm usually in the living room, just watching TV. And she literally has to walk in front of the TV in order to get to her room. So it's it's she has to walk like the front door is on the right and then her room's on the left and the TV's in the middle. So she has to walk. In front of the TV, right? And she's doing that walk where her hips are moving a little bit more than they have to, her back's a little arch, and then the downfall of every military personnel in the history of military personnel. One night I'm sitting there watching sports and I'm having a couple of drinks,  right? I'm having a couple of drinks in the room and she walks by and I'm like, Oh, I'm off today.  And  there's a And the great thing about the base of San Diego, there's a trolley, there's a trolley right outside the base that takes you directly to downtown San Diego. Two, two, three dollars to hop on it, right? And it runs to like, I asked her, I was like, hey, you want to go, do you want to go have some dinner and go downtown? And she was like yeah. Long story short, she ends up being my Navy girl. She, my, yeah, my boat boo. She happened to be from the same hometown as me. She's from Dallas too, or was she from Dallas or Texas? She's from Texas or Dallas. I can't remember one of the two. I can't remember what she's from Texas or Dallas or both, but anyways we hit it off and we started chilling and then one night. Because, she basically lived in the same room I lived in. So I used to go over there and stay with her. She used to come in my room, stay with me, vice versa. One night I stayed in the room with her, right? And then, I put my phone on the counter, right? So then I wake up in the middle. I wake up in the middle of the night. I wake up in the night, right? And I see her, her not next to me and I see my phone gone. And I'm like, that's peculiar. I was like, where's my phone? So then I start knocking on the door. I start knocking on the door. Mind you, I have a passcode on my phone. Oh, I thought it was a passcode. Apparently she had. Crack the passcode and she that's when she contacted my girlfriend from back in Dallas and then she basically blew that all up. And then when she came out the bathroom, she threw my phone over the balcony from the second floor and basically tried to destroy my phone. And she was just a crazy chick. And it's a confirmed crazy because come to find out about.  Two or three weeks after that happened, she actually went AWOL and I never saw the girl again. You broke her heart, man. It's messed up. Nah, I think she wanted to leave already, but I definitely didn't help the situation. Yeah, I got jacked up from her and then, of course, my girlfriend back in Dallas was Pissed at me and then that, that, that was a whole nother situation. And I think I was getting ready to go on leave back to Dallas and it was just, it was bad. Wow. You did a reverse dick down in Dallas. You did a reverse of that.  . Yeah. Yeah, I did. But you turned the lyrics around. I only, man, the whole time I was in the Navy, like four girls that were in the Navy. 'cause I, I just really wasn't, I was just really focused man. And a lot of the chicks were just, I don't know, they were on some other stuff and I wasn't on that. Plus, it's I like feminine women. I don't like that, the Navy tries to make them all masculine. The G. I. James. Yeah, I don't like that. You don't like a butch? I like, nah, man, I like the nails, the hair, the makeup, I like that. I don't like the buns in the back and the hair pulled back. Yeah, I get that.  I'm like yeah. That's one thing that's wild about the military is, you catch  a woman off base in civilian clothes with her hair down, makeup done, and not in a uniform. You're like, Who the hell are you? Like it's a total shock. It's certainly crazy. Wow. So I gotta say that is a set of that's crazy that they allowed it. Now, nuke school was very strict about that. You had, barracks for men, barracks for women. You got an L. I. if you were caught sleeping in another in the room of an opposite gender. There was no visitation. And we heard stories about other bases saying, you could have guests over, either civilian or military, or you could have the other gender over. And, I always thought about it, because when I went to boot camp, we were separated by gender because of COVID, right? Because I guess  Guys, or girls, that doesn't make any sense, but they wanted to have everyone separated. And we heard stories that, boot camp was co ed. Just being not co ed, there were so many incidents from my boot camp division. And sister div and all of that. I can't even imagine a co ed division. When you went through bootcamp, were you co ed, were you co mingled or were you separated by gender? You know what I think, man, I had a crazy bootcamp experience. I was actually in a co ed division to start. I started off in a co ed division and then I took the, man, I can't remember what exam I took. But it was the exam you take like on your second or third day when you get to the bootcamp, you take this exam, right? Yeah, just a little knowledge exam on Navy stuff or whatever. Yeah, anyways, long story short, I end up bombing the exam because I didn't take you seriously, I just Christmas treated. I was just like, whatever, I don't care. I was like, whatever, I don't care, right? So long story short, that jacked me up because they ended up taking me out my division because I failed that course and they put me in like this media course for I was in boot camp for an extra like month. Yeah, I was in bootcamp for a extra month because I was in there and I was with all the remedial people and I'm just looking around wait, I don't belong here. I'm not supposed to be here. So I ended up going to that, and then I ended up scoring the highest . I ended up scoring the highest score in the history of the remedial course while I was there. And they were like, how did you do that? I'm like I'm, I've been trying to tell you I'm not supposed to be here. I just, Christmas tree, the, I just Christmas tree, the initial exam, because I didn't care.  To be honest with you I, Christmas tree, the Asbe test as well I probably could have been a nuke just like you, but I was reckless and young and unknowledgeable at the time, and I just really didn't care. I just CC everything. I was just like, okay, I don't care. Whatever man. . So I had a bad history of doing that. If I could go back in time, I would've first studied for the ASFA test and then taken it and I probably would've been a nuke just like you. And so I was in a coed. Initially, and then when I came back to the real bootcamp, I was in an all male division. That probably saved you from some trouble, honestly. Might have saved you from some trouble, who knows?  Nah, being in the co ed division is better because they can only go so hard. They only go so hard on you before the girls start to break down. You know what I'm saying?  Yeah. They can only go so hard, and then the girls be like, you can't do it, stop yelling.  Yeah, and we're not saying women are weak, it's just The truth is the Navy standard. We had a woman, first off nuke school is like 95 guys for every one girl. So we had a woman, she only had to do maybe I think her 11 pushups for her PT test, maybe 17 at most. And, guys had to do 50. It's like the physical standards, the physical requirements for women in the military are drastically lower than men. And we actually. Talked about this on an episode with Homewrecker he proposed the question to me, should women be allowed in the military? Not in a sexist way, but he believes that, if there's a situation where someone needs, if he's unconscious and someone needs to move his body and there's only women around, I guess his point was, if women are going to be in the military, they have to be held to the same physical fitness standards. In case anything happens, they can't rely on men to do all the lifting essentially, which I agree with, we want everyone, we want damage control to be done properly. We want casualty response to be done properly. So I get it, but yeah, man, we had a guy, my RPOC, I had admired him. We all started off making fun of him. He came to bootcamp with green hair and He was, I think, 32, or 36.  He had dyed his hair green and, we all made fun of him until we found out, right before he left, he has a little girl, he has a daughter, and she said, Dad, I wanna dye my hair. And he goes, You know what, Pumpkin? They're gonna cut all my hair off anyway, I'm gonna dye my hair with. So then it turns out, Oh, this guy's a good father. He's a cool dude. He eventually got rolled out of our division and in trouble. And it turns out he had been seeing a woman from Sister Div. They were making, they were sending secret codes via body language in the galley at watch through the portholes, whenever they had watched together, they would write messages or blow kisses. And he was buried with a kid and he would take off his wedding ring anytime sister did came into the galley or the classroom. When we had, I'm sure you went through them, the training where you would sit and learn stuff. I didn't know bootcamp was like a school, do not expect that watching army movies. I thought I was going to be crawling through mud and climbing ropes, which is why I didn't want to go in the first place. But every time we had those classroom sessions with sister div, she and he would go to the bathroom at the same time and disappear for a while. And they would do this multiple times and someone in sister div snitched  and they got caught. And again, I believe, love is love, whatever you want to do. But it was a little weird. She had just turned 18, she's, joined the military and he was like 36, had a wife and kid. It was just wild. He was gone, rolled back. He was a goofed up RPOC anyway. He could not remember commands for anything like our RDC would tell him the command and it would go in and out and you're so fast. And I remember our RDC flipped out and he screamed at my RPOC, he was like, You are a cancer to this division! You're the oldest one here, but you're a child! You're the most immature, you're a child, you can't even And he went off on him. But yeah. And apparently, a lot of women and men have sexual relations behind firefighting. The building for firefighting training. Apparently that was a hookup spot. I've heard stories, countless stories about that. And I never knew it. I remember my one buddy, oh, he wasn't a buddy of mine. He was this guy that got rolled into our class in a school. He was like, yeah, this girl came up to me after bootcamp. I guess he saw her at nuke school or whatever. And she was like, I always thought you were cute and I wanted to do you behind firefighting, but you never made a move. He was like, man, I had no idea what the hell. Now, when you were in bootcamp, did anything unusual happen? Any crazy stories? Because we've done some sessions on this podcast where we go over bootcamp stories, and I'll tell you some of the things I've heard  are insane, just to quickly recap, crapping in the urinals, rock, paper, scissors, shoot over who has to clean up, the cum on the floor. That's disgusting. People, craziest story, people. Jumping up in the stall and putting their arms and legs out and all of them like spider man in an alleyway would crap from the sky from their heads hit in the ceiling and Try to see who had the best aim. So some crazy stuff. Did you encounter anyone like that or any? Individuals that were noteworthy, I can't remember Them all. I have heard about the crapping in the urinal. You come to realize how dirty people are when you live with a bunch of men and women. Find out some people don't shower or brush their teeth. I've encountered some people who got smelling bad shits. They got written up for poor hygiene,  mandatory shower forms. Like you've heard of that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Male and female. Oh yeah. Male and female. It's wild. The whole beating off thing. I can understand that the, I can understand that because it's oh, I haven't, smashed a girl or had a girl in a long time, because me before I went to the military, I was having sex. Every day. I was having sex all the time every day. So I get it. And then to go from I just talked about my personal story to go from having sex every day or having sex whenever you want it to going to a room full of 75 guys. And yeah, men and not having sex. And I'm not beating off with, I'm not beating off in a room with 75 dudes in it. That's what I'm not going to do. That's called all time low. That's called hell right there. Come on, bro. No, I'm not doing that either. So I want to say like the first time I had sex after I left bootcamp, man, that thing was strong. That was, it was like a half a cup, man. That was  strong. That was a strong night. I was going to say my girlfriend. That I was dating actually came to my graduation with my parents and yeah, they were all in the same hotel room, but we had to go take a walk.  We had to go take a walk at nighttime and we took a little walk around the corner and had their release Chicago. Oh, yeah. On the streets right by the in the hotel. We just took, I don't know. It was a park or something by the hotel. We just it's good enough. It was good enough. But man, that was the best. That was the best release of all time. That was like a three month release. I was like, oh my god.  Thank god you're here.   See, I didn't have sex with any women or sex with myself on any military. No, I stayed at the yeah no, not on the ship, not in boot camp. I didn't have sex. sex with any girls or have sex with myself. Not happening. I just, it just wasn't there for me. It wasn't that serious to where I was like, I need it right here. I need it right here. Cause it was just, it was such a risk because I didn't want to stay in bootcamp any longer. I didn't want to. Be summoned to be a bozeman's mate. I didn't wanna, there was just a, there was a lot of fear I had and I was like, I don't wanna lose my rank. I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I just want to do my time and get out of here as smooth as possible. I don't wanna bring attention to myself. The physical training in the Navy is a joke. When I went to bootcamp, we had a PT regen day, 30 seconds stand on one leg, which is challenging to some people. I won't lie. Some people, I'm not going to say I'm the most athletic or strongest or fastest guy, but man in bootcamp, I found out how I compare to others and you'll be surprised.  And Mr. Sanders, you can probably verify as well the amount of people who don't know how to swim. Did you experience that in bootcamp? Yeah. I was one of those people. I thought I knew how to swim coming into bootcamp, but then there's different standards. The first one, you got to swim all the way to, from, you got to jump in from the high dive and swat and swim from one side of the pool to the other. And then you have to do it in with boots on. With still toe boots on and coveralls. It's a different type of swimming. It's a different type of swimming. Yeah. And if you don't jump, they will push you. I remember they it's so funny. It's actually very comedic to me. They've got these, lifeguards, military lifeguards with this giant metal spear with a hook on the end to grab you. If you couldn't swim, they're gonna grab you with this giant hook and pull you out of the pool. Yeah, and you gotta do this float test and everything, and I tell you, man, so many people did not know how to swim, and it's so ironic. You always get the question, you join the Navy and you don't know how to swim? Man overboard, man over, man drown.  I had a roommate in a school who just the weirdest thing he did. He just ate pizza all the time. Pizza time.  So he ordered pizza every day. That's so did the teenage mutant ninja turtles, nothing from C school or I guess you had rackmates on the ship. I've never been on a destroyer. I've been on a destroyer, but I haven't been deployed on a destroyer. So I don't know. I know on an aircraft carrier it works. You've got three and three next to each other going down the whole row. So did you have rackmates?  Yeah, mine was three and three. It was like top, middle, bottom, two rows of that too. So it was two rows. It was like top, middle, bottom, two rows. So it was like, what what? Six on each side in our birthing. That's how it was set up. Most. The craziest thing in our birthing was just people either just being dirty, people just like peeing on the floor or something. What? In birthing? It wasn't. I think.  Yeah,  because people would come back, people would come back drunk and make it halfway to the bathroom, not in the bathroom, and just pee on the floor.  Man, the worst part about that Is that most, every room I've been in on a Navy ship, there was a drain in the floor for but they didn't even make it to the drain. I found out my one buddy, I hate to expose him. The Sandman,  he had been hanging out in this room. And there wasn't drains in the floor, but there was a sink and there was a mop bucket. So he would piss in the mop bucket and then dump it into the sink. And I remember, yeah, speaking of the birthing and, stuff like that homewrecker, it may or may not have been him. I can neither confirm or deny people thought he smelled bad. And so they. Every time he got back to his rack, someone had put like a new stick of deodorant or mints or, like a cleaning spray on his rack for him. I remember he, man, if there was people he didn't like, he would spit on their rack, he threatened to piss on their rack, and he would just smear his spit all over their blankets and stuff, which That's the thing, I don't like living in a shared space, you never know what's gonna happen, while you're gone. People were stealing stuff, and I remember we had a guy, he was 6'7 I believe, and he had boot size 14. Most men are like 11 or 12, I wanna say, most men have pretty, pretty big feet, especially for this, the steel toed boots are even bigger than regular shoes. Someone stole them. He was the only guy on the whole ship who had size 14 boots. They were like flippers. And I remember Matt, who's podcasting with us, came into the reactor training room one time and he has all these flippers. Like Matt, why are your boots so extreme? He's man, someone stole my boots next to my rack. So I took the ones  that were in the corner over by my rack. This tall guy, six foot seven comes in the room. He goes,  and he's like limping. And he's got on he's like standing on the tips of his toes in these boots that are way too small for him.  And everyone's what's going on? He's some cocksucker stole my boots. I can't,  size 14, who could possibly have them? And Matt's sitting right in front of me. And I'm like, hey tall guy,  do they look like these? And I just point at Matt's flippers. He's Dude, what the hell? But, he explained the situation. People were just stealing boots, we want to just leave them out next to her rack. So when we wake up, we can just, put our boots on and whatever, but, and not take up, we only have a limited, yeah, because you only have a limited amount of space in your locker and your rack for your whole life to be on that ship too. Oh yeah. People stole all the time. I left my rank tab. I had my parka liner resting on a chair once and someone came and stole the rank tab off of it. So I had to go buy one. People would steal crows off of coveralls and everything man. You can never be too safe. But yeah, so when you were on this destroyer, Mr. Sanders, were you, did you go out to sea at all or you were just in port the whole time? No, we were mostly in port. The whole time. I didn't end up going out to sea until six months before I was getting ready to get out. So I actually got out the military during deployment during my first deployment. So I never even finished my whole first deployment because I got out in the middle of deployment. You got the helicopter ride off the ship? I didn't get the helicopter ride. I got the US Coast Guard escort, so I didn't get the helicopter. The Coast Guard came and they took me on a little buoy. To the Coast Guard ship. So I had to climb down, I had to climb down the ladder on the side of the ship with all my stuff. Full sea bag on your back. Full sea bag crawling into a little baby boat, so I can go to the Coast Guard ship and dress uniform with them. Did it make you wear your dress blues or whites? What was I in? No, I was in the camis, camouflage. Okay. Yeah. They're getting they just got rid of that this year. Actually. They're what?  Yes. Okay. We got a backtrack, cause, Paul, you served before me, so let me tell you, was your uniform blue, or did you have type 3 N dubs? Did you have the blueberries, or was your uniform green? Yeah, I had the blueberries. Yeah first off, they got rid of those a little while ago, because I don't have those. My uniform was green, and matched the It was a brighter green than the army or the marines actually we had the brightest green uniform and quote Oh, we're tired of it makes it better for man overboard. I'm like, okay, but now I'm a floating green object I said what if I'm a man overboard because a enemy plane blew up my ship and I'm trying to hide in the water Like it doesn't make any sense I liked the blue Navy uniform. I never experienced it. So it's, biased of me to say that, but it made sense, it gave you this distinguished pride, but when I served, it was type three Naval working uniform. So all green digital camo, but now they're replacing. I can't remember if it's the endubs or the coveralls, but now it's a two piece set. Basically, imagine the coveralls, but you turn it into a pair of pants and like a khaki shirt. And it just looks goofy because the officers have an all tan, two piece set. They look identical to a safari tour guide. It's ridiculous. I am not. For the new uniform changes. It actually happened as I was leaving my ship. Didn't get the new uniforms, but I know some of my buddies as I was leaving were getting the new uniforms. Yeah. That just happened. Now, did you ever wear the NSUs, the naval service uniform or the peanut butters as people call them? Yeah, the peanut the tan on top. Black on bottom. Yeah. With the shirt stays. If you want to look crisp. Yeah those were the most under, most underutilized uniforms that we had. I thought because those ones look good, but I like them. You can't wear that uniform to, you can only wear it. It's like a, it's like a form. It's like a halfway form. Yeah. It's an office uniform. We wore it a lot. We wore it once a week in nuke school. I think every Friday and a lot of recruiters actually wearing it or office jobs. I actually liked it. I thought it looked. Clean and crisp, but I like the end of the most because I had 12 pockets and People might think I'm shy steve. Why you need 12 pockets man. I you get into all kinds of kinds of stuff with the pockets, but on a destroyer, I'm just curious because I was on an aircraft carrier. How would you rate the galley and the food and all of that? Man, I had a lot of, I had a lot of friends that worked in that were CSs that worked in there. I  would rate the breakfast is great because, and the reason why I say that is because you know exactly what you're going to get at the breakfast. It's the same every day. It's the same every day. And I like that. I like. The same. So when I come down, I know exactly what I'm about to eat. And so it's routine. I like that kind of unique, man. We actually, have you ever heard of the show called? I don't even know if they have the show still. It was called dinner and possible. No, it was a cooking show. It was a cooking show with one of those top chefs and he would try to assemble people and try to make this. He would try to make this impossible dinner. All the time. Every episode was like, Hey, I'm going to try to do this dinner that nobody's ever done before it in a certain amount of rush time. And it's an impossible dinner. So actually when we commissioned the ship, we commissioned the ship in Philadelphia two or three days. And he actually threw this like lavish dinner for us, which is like lobster and shrimp. And then they filmed it all. And it was it was pretty cool. It's pretty excellent. For the most part, I would say the food on the ship was C plus B minus. Cause for the most part, we had we had the same breakfast and then I think on Thursday, so you're going to get, so I like the predictable meals, like Thursday, we're going to have sliders, like another day we're going to have.  I don't know steak stew or something. Like I, I like it when they do the same thing. Cause it's I know what I'm about to get. Plus if all else fails and you have a trash dinner or lunch, you always had the salad bar to fall back on. You could always just eat a plate full of salad. You could just go buy some bull crap out the ship store and get you through it. But I was not a fan and many people like to do this in the military. They'd like to do this gung ho let's work through the let's work through dinner or let's work through lunch. Hell no. When I was in charge, none of my team worked through any meal. Any and every meal we are stopping. We are not working through shit.  Yeah. There's a lot of  There's a lot of empty promises where it's Alright, let's work through lunch and we'll get early liberty. And then it's actually, you're going to do extra maintenance because you have so much time. Yeah. Yeah. You can't make promises like that when you're not in charge, unless you're the chief or the officer of the group, you can't be like, Hey, we're going to get off early. Like you think we're going to get off early until somebody comes and say, you're not.  Yeah. So I wasn't a fan of that, man. The food wasn't that bad. Like I said, it was free. So you can't really complain too much about free food. Nah, see, I you're one of, so you're one of those people who's the food is free. I'm one of those people who's No, it's 300 a month from my paycheck, I, that, that mindset, I did have BAS for a while, I lived off base and I was in charge of making my own meals and there's pros and cons. I do actually, I did, I was a fan of the galley because it was guaranteed, if you didn't have time, cause you get caught up with BAS, you have the possibility of you don't have time for meal prep or now you've got to make time for meal prepping. You got to make time to go to the store. You got a budget. The galley was always there. You knew when it was open, you knew when it was closed and it was, like you said, guaranteed food. Now, did you have, they're nicknamed hamsters, but chicken cordon bleu, was that available on your ship? Yes, of course. Of course. I'm actually a fan of chicken cordon bleu. We put a little salt, I put a little ketchup  and hot sauce on it. It's okay.  Oh, dang. I don't put anything on it. I just eat it straight.  Nah, bro. The thing that you need to have by your side, an ary meal. There's one thing you need on your table. You need a bottle of Texas, Pete, that has to be on your table. Yeah. Not a sponsor, but that is yeah, that went fast in our galley too, because here's the issue with the galley. Some people understood it, some people didn't.  I was very against when the chefs, okay, the culinary specialists, not the brightest group of people in the world. I'll be honest. I, again, a lot of my friends are CSs. I spent time working in the galley, and let me tell you, man, I'm not a fan when they give you food,  and they decided to season it themselves, because here's what ended up happening. They put way too much Creole, Cajun powder, salt, pepper, whatever it was. They would make the food unbearable. When they gave it bland! It's just dry grilled chicken, plain fries. Then we had the opportunity, like you're saying, to use the Texas Pete, to put ketchup, put salt, pepper. When you're serving thousands of people, hundreds of people, you should give out bland food with the ability to be customized by the recipient, not the I'm going to make, I feel like making all the food today be Cajun and Creole, cause I like, spicy food. You're not eating it. A hundred other people were eating it and a lot of them aren't gonna like that. I don't know if you encountered that on your shit, but on mine I knew when certain cooks were in the kitchen because they would just put a schwack ton of creole and pepper all over the food. It ruined it. It was too much It wasn't like a pinch here But if you've ever watched any cooking show a lot of culinary specialists Especially ones who are a bit on the heavier side when they say i'm adding a pinch of salt or a pinch of pepper they just dump the whole container They're like, here's a pinch of salt, but yeah, you ever encounter that? Because like I said, the food was good. And I agreed with you on the consistency. It was like Wednesday was burger day. That was my favorite day of the week. And then occasionally you would have the rare item Oh, the teriyaki chicken. I have to say the teriyaki chicken I had in the Navy is some of the best teriyaki chicken I've had. Yeah. You said you were friends with the CSs. Did you go cranking? Man, cranking was the best. Oh, so you did go. Cranking was the best because. It was predictable. It was predictable, and it was easy. Man. I had the option of either like cranking with the CSS in terms of helping them out in the kitchen or doing the I forgot what it was called, man, ma. Security duty is an option for some people, or hazmat. I know at least on a aircraft carrier, dishwasher room. Oh I've done both. The dishwashing, man.  It was easy. It was great. I love doing dishwashing because you got the dishwasher. You put some music on there in there or the headphones. You got this. You just take the trays and put them in. But yeah, you got the high pressure hose. Nope. Nobody's in there trying to boss you around. Tell you to do this until you do that. You just literally clean all the dishes and then you get to chill. During the pause you there, I'm gonna pause you there, man, because let me tell you how it is on my ship. We had you had a FSO, a food service officer, like the highest chain of command in the galley. Did you have one of those? Yeah. Yeah. Our FSO was a dick. He was an egomaniac. He had a life size poster of himself in the galley. So he has this giant cutout of himself.  So that right there already told you what kind of person he was. He was, I believe, a warrant officer, but he found some person new to the ship and decides to yell at them. I am an admiral. I'm an admiral. Respect me. Man, he's a warrant officer. Now, he's still an officer, don't get me wrong, but that's different than saying you're an admiral. Last I checked, you're a warrant officer in charge of the galley. I worked for him one time and every five minutes  he would assign me a different task and had me stop doing what I was doing and do this new task. And then he's wondering why nothing gets done. He, man, one time he secured liberty. He wasn't gonna let us go home.  Cause they had lost the key to the one galley storeroom. But anyway, he prowled around and then his chain of command was the same way. I will say dishwashing was safe because you were away from him. He mostly prowled around the open space of the galley, but  we had this new chief one time in charge of us. And I don't know if it was the same way with your ship, but for us, after dinner, whatever, we would clean the galley, deep clean it. We cleaned after every meal. And then, we would have a cleaning inspection, so we could go home for the day, or be done with duty, which was typically not until 20 hundred at night. It was late, sometimes later, and my buddy,  power washed, basically, he got this hose and he blasted the grill three times. Chief walks up to it, drags his finger along it, looks at his finger, there's nothing on his finger, he goes,  This place is still dirty, clean it again for another hour. I can't stand that. I spend more time in the Navy cleaning than anything. Chiefs would go up to the, they would like, climb up on a shelf, reach behind the tallest furthest light, and find a little speck of dust and be like, this room isn't clean enough. Did you, do you feel the same way? We used to clean for 45 minutes. Every single day in two hours every Thursday. And now my ship recently, I heard reports that they clean for an hour every day and two hours every Friday. Did you have to. Look busy. Did you master the art of look, looking like you were cleaning? Cleaning is the number one aspect, the Navy. I don't know about the other services, but cleaning and shining up bells and brass and objects around your ship is the number one thing that you need to master in the military, because that's what everybody wants to look at or hold you accountable for. Yeah, the cleaning was insane. It was over the top, but I guess looking back at it now, I'd rather have a clean, I guess it wasn't too bad. It's just at the time it was annoying. Cause it's just like, why the heck are we cleaning, sweeping, mopping, all this stuff all the time, every day, the same spots every day. Yeah. And so it's not peaceful. It's not like you put in some music and you clean. We weren't allowed. Oh lucky you're lucky. What happened to me is,  no, you're not allowed to wear those in uniform. Technically. Per the UCMJ, the articles, the uniform standard, you are only allowed to have, I think a single earpiece in, if not actively moving or only if you were PTing. It was like, it's not. Authorized, maybe they've changed that since you've been in, because it probably became a much bigger issue with AirPods, really expanding over the past few years. But yeah, but how we can have one in, we can have one headphone in, so I had the one in. Yeah. And I think that's reasonable, but there are people in the military who are very old fashioned or just like to give you a hard time for no reason. And I remember during cleaning stations, one time chief comes up to me, says, Mr. Wishy. Why are you cleaning it that way? Clean it this way. Okay. I, Oh yes, chief. Of course, chief, anything for you, chief. I love you, chief. And you start cleaning the way chief orders. Then senior chief comes in and says, why the hell are you cleaning it that way? That's stupid. Clean it this way. So you start cleaning it the way senior chief shows you.  Then a master chief comes in and says, Mr. Whiskey, what the hell are you doing? Worthless piece of garbage. Clean it this way. And then an officer comes in and says, why are you doing all this? The amount of times I was corrected on how to properly clean. One time it was wiping a counter and every ranked official decided to show me a different way to fold the cloth. Do you get the perfect? Leave behind the least amount of streaks possible cleaning technique, senior chiefs like I've been in for, 25 years now. I know how to clean. And then you got the officer. I get paid more than anyone. I know how to clean, man. It was just annoying. Absolutely annoying. But Mr. Sanders, now that you're Outta the military. What are you up to nowadays? I saw in your bio you said pet sitter and, world traveler and stuff like that. What are you doing now with your life? What I do now with my life I work in the IT industry as a  motivational coach for software developers. A u-turn from being a.  But yeah, I do that. I also travel in my free time just saw across the country and that kind of plays hand in hand with the pet sitting, actually do pet sitting as well, too it's just long term trips to Europe or Africa. And then they're looking for people to watch their houses and their. Animals while they're gone. So you get to live at their house for free while they're  traveling around the world somewhere doing something other, it's a lifestyle that a lot of people don't understand, but it's a lifestyle that works as similar to the military where you're just going from place to place and you don't really have control over where you're going or what you got to do or when you got to leave or how long you're going to stay. I was going to say, it's certainly perfect for a podcast and, getting those experiences. Is really the core of podcasting, at least for our style of podcasts, especially with you wanting to cover, all the different walks of life. So being able to travel so much. What are some of the best places you've been to and worst places you've been to, and.  What percentage of the time would you say you're traveling in, in your life? Are you on the road 85% of the time? 50%. I know you mentioned other countries. Is it mostly out, out of country or mostly in country? I'm on the road a hundred percent of the time  because it's just a better life. A home. I owned a home probably in 2018, something like that. I owned a home, was a real estate agent. I still am a real estate agent in the state of Florida, but yeah, I've lived in a traditional lifestyle where I had a girlfriend, she was a real estate agent with me. We recently bought a house. Just, just the whole, I had a The job where I was working in the city and just, have to be there more of a traditional lifestyle. And then when all that didn't work out and we ended up breaking up and then I was still doing the job and I was paying the mortgage and all that stuff. And I was just sitting there, I was like, man, I was like, I don't know why I have this big old house  for just me. I was like, I really don't care that much. I care about the house. It's cool. It's nice to have, right. But I can live without this for a much longer period of time. Like when I was in the military, all I had was my rack on the top rack, a little junior high school locker and whatever could fit underneath my bed for four years. And that was fine. That was good enough. But the cost of living in the United States, man, cost of living in United States is out of control. So if you're not in a, if you're not in a situation to where you're in a relationship or you have a roommate or you just have somebody that's helping you with the bills. And it's just, you, it came down to the fact that it was just, I felt like I was just spending too much money  on just day to day living and not actually spending time and money on the experiences of life. I was just, okay, great. I got a new. Or, okay, great. I got a really nice apartment. Okay, great. I, I have this. Is this the end? Is this the next 20, 25 years of your life? Just nice car, nice apartment. And that's the end. I just For me, I like the experiences in life. I like the unknown of life. I like the ability to go to sleep and wake up and not necessarily know what is going to happen the next. It's it's a lot more interesting to me. So I just like to be surprised. I like the surprises out of life. I like the unknown and I like to go against the grain and I'm just not I just don't live a traditional lifestyle like everybody else. Most people don't, most people my age I'm 35. So most of you are my age. All my friends are in committed long term relationships. Either real or fake, and really, they're real because either they're with people that actually care about them, or I'm saying they're fake because they're with people that don't care about them, but they're just with them because they don't want to be by themselves. They're like, I don't want to be alone. So I'm just going to stay in this relationship with this person that I don't really like, but I'd rather do that than be alone. And be over myself or go back out into the dating world at 35, 36 years old, try to find something better. That's the reality of majority of my friends for me though. I like surprises. And because I do travel so much, I understand that I'm probably not going to have that traditional style relationship with one person. And we're just gonna. Go on to live happily ever after because I travel and because that's never happened before in the history of my life. So I can't just be sitting here at my age and be like, Hey, I think that's going to happen for me now because it's never happened. There are people out there who definitely want to travel too. So it's definitely not too late for you to find either a younger woman or older woman who wants to live that same lifestyle. In fact, my fiancee does what most women do, at least of, The younger generation, which is spend all day on tick tock, not a sponsor, but  she's been getting a lot of tech talks about. And she presented it to me and I've been thinking about it, living, getting these fancy motor vehicle homes, and looking at the cost of living again, and you realize how much you don't need, how much money people waste on stuff, especially a living space and how much it costs to just have a motor vehicle home or a portable living, place and the cost of, yeah. Going to parks or having memberships and everything and you can save a lot of money and travel, you know You only live once in so do you have a motor vehicle home? Because I want to assume you're not driving a convertible Mustang, you know all over America so how do you travel? No, I I don't have a motor vehicle home. Been looking into those, but it's a lot of maintenance, man. It's a lot of maintenance and you still need a place to store it. You also need to, you also need to learn how to drive it. Or if you're, if it's not a if it's not the drivable kind that you have to have a truck to pull it and haul it. I'm not into that. I'm into real estate. I'm big time into real estate. I got my license in Florida. Previously had my license in Texas. Oh. The next big things I'm looking into is going to be real estate investing and it actually might, and it's actually, chances are, I'm actually looking into a couple of things right now, but for instance, I'll just give an example. I was looking at a property that's in Columbia that's getting buried to get built in like 2025. It's like a, it's like a high rise property or I don't know if it's a higher, it goes up to 12 floors. I don't know if that's considered a high rise, right? But it goes up to 12 floors. So it has 12 residence, it has 12 floors of residential spaces, and then the first three or four floors is like a mall restaurant shopping and all that stuff. And you could purchase one room for around 50,000 US dollars. And you can actually have they actually have it set up in payments or it's not gonna be an actual property to 2025. So basically you pay payments from now until two, 2025, and then you own the property. And I think there's a balloon payment at the end, the last payment is like 12, 000 or something like I'm just giving you a, these aren't accurate numbers. He's just right. But the point I'm trying to get across is the United States is not the world. So when people look at the cost of living and the cost of this and the cost of that in the United States, yes, it is true. And it's not going anywhere, but up right. But, and this from being in the military, you don't have to necessarily limit yourself. To the United States, when it comes to living, when it comes to it, there's other places in the United States, there's other places in the world where you can achieve the quality of life that you would like to achieve or the investments or the money that you would like to achieve elsewhere. Now in terms of like just  the living the quality of living in the United States, the quality of living compared to other places is pretty. Pretty good to me, in my opinion, but it's just like when it comes to the cost of living, then like the cost of investment property of the same style in the United States and in a busy area, it's probably going to, it's not going to cost me 50 grand. It's going to cost me like 350 grand to get into it. And then that's not as easily obtainable. So when you can't get into things, because there's a higher barrier to entry, you tend to. Not get in at all. And then you just end up on the rat race or the hamster wheel longer because you don't have options. So the point, Hey, look outside the United States there's opportunities to make money and to live a better lifestyle. The thing is that people are. Unwilling to do in the United States sacrifice, they don't want to sacrifice being involved in things or living places where they don't know the language or they don't have the Starbucks right down the street, or, you can't go see your family. It's sacrifice to everything. So it's just do you want to sacrifice yes or no, or do you want to just put up what you're being given and find a way to make it out for me, I'm looking elsewhere, I'm trying to find, I'm trying to find investments and things and places that live outside. And that kind of goes into the podcast that I'm creating. I'm hoping that. The goal would be five, 10 years from now, the goal of my podcast would be cast in the world. I would be monetizing it, be making money from the audio, making money from the video, having the best guest on it, and being able to actually support myself from the podcast. And I don't have to necessarily, I don't necessarily have to live in one place. I could live wherever I want to because the money's coming in from, Spotify, YouTube, wherever, and it doesn't really matter where I'm living at. That's. That's my dream as well, to not be forced into this traditional lifestyle that kind of is trapping and, along the lines of the sacrificing you were talking about, another way to address it is A lot of people are uncomfortable with change. Whereas you said you like surprises, you like this, you never know what each day is going to hold kind of thing. And it is definitely is, we are really programmed into being comfortable where we are and not wanting change, which is understandable as well. Yeah. So it looks like for your future, you're trying to travel around a lot and really share your experience. Ladies and gentlemen, you can check that out on his podcast, the be sandal world podcast link in the description below and Mr. Sanders, I want to thank you for coming on my show. Appreciate you having as a guest and we've gone over some great things. And I want to thank you for your time and wish you luck with your podcast. And hopefully we'll Get a record together again in the future. Hey man, it's been my pleasure. I don't really get to talk to a lot of military personnel, veterans, or people that are active duty still. I really just don't step into that world too much anymore, but it was great. Chopping it up with you and just talking about your experiences and my experiences. I had a little trip down memory lane, so that was fantastic. Can't wait to have you on my show. Can't wait to be on your show again. I'm thankful that you invited me on and I definitely want to work with like minded people such as yourself continuously in the futures. Yeah. Who yada that? Ladies and gentlemen, that's all for now.

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